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On Gay…

August 24th, 2005 Leave a comment Go to comments

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Flora just talked about her opinion on the gay issue. I find it interesting that she is so fascinated by this issue, apparently.

Anyway, I am an outsider to the problem. I am not interested in gay stuff, nor do I know any real gay persons. (Hmmm… come to think of it…?) And without any deep religious beliefs, I don’t have a big problem with gays, I guess.
However, I do understand why "gay" is considered so offensive to some people. I read a really long article by the New York Times a few months back, in which a long narrative of anti-gay beliefs and gay beliefs is given.
To make a long story short, the fundamental problem, at least in the US it seems, is the clash between gay and religion. To some strict people with serious faith in Catholicism (or some other form of religion), gay behavior acts against their very own roots of belief. They find it offensive.
And here’s the dilemma, at least in my opinion. People have religious freedom, which means we should respect their religious beliefs. On the other hand, in terms of civil rights, we should also respect people’s choice of sexual preference. Yet these two are contradicting. We cannot easily satisfy both.
Religion is a serious matter. If people believe that God defined marriage as between man and woman, then it is not easy to tell these people that gay people can get married. That’s like telling them God is wrong. Of course this is a hasty generalization of the gay problem in its clash with religion.
The real matter lies in the definition of marriage. What is marriage all about? If one believes marriage is about procreation, then definitely one would oppose gay marriage. Yet everyone views marriage differently. And even though we’re in the 21st century, we should never easily neglect the deep social roots where marriage itself originated.
Gay marriage is a serious issue. Perhaps, jokingly, it may be easier to implement in China, since serious religious belief is nearly nonexistent. (Not quite, of course, but I guess it’s prudent to say the majority are not serious followers of any religion.) However, from a worldwide perspective, I think it’s going to take a long time and a long war. Remember, the anti-gay are not just defending their turf, they are attacking too.
Not that I’m in favor of gay marriage…

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  • molly

    Also, I think to respect one’s religious belief does not mean

    that you can’t do anything that they view as contradicting to their Bible. For at all there are people who 
    don’t believe in the Bible. Why everyone should obey the things said by a God they never considered existing?
    Yes, you can have your believe, but as I have said, that’s your owen business, don’t interfere with other’s 
    life. 
    Sincerely, I see this issue not a problem of clashing values but one about how we should value human rights. 
    And now I am also clearer about my standpoint that I failed to figure out last night, which is, I think 
    human rights should come higher than the the freedom of thoughts.

  • molly

    I still feel the Christian conservatists are on the wrong side

    Sorry to bring this up again, but I just can’t restrain my desire to speak.
    Yes, I firmly believe that people have the right to persist in their own fundamental values, however, 
    I also think that no matter how different people may hold their viewpoints on different issues, 
    they must come out from the basic human moral, which is to live and let live, 
    otherwise, it is immoral as well as inhumane. 
    Isn’t it also an essential principle in Christianality that people should love each other? 
    If yes, then why wouldn’t the religious conservatists bother to listen to the voices from those 
    authoritative medical associations? 
    I just have the feeling that they are acting inhumane and selfish, and are from the bottom of their hearts, 
    hypocritical.

  • molly

    Well, I am.

    The reasons are simple: gays are born gay. They didn’t choose it. Everyone has the right to live his life as he wishes.

    Why bother badgering with the definition of marriage? If they want marriages, let them have it! 

    Religion is the beliefs you hold about your God, why fuss over others?

    Why not make the whole world Catholics?

  • dani19

    But dear, this is YOUR belief.

    I’ve been really thinking hard on this question. It’s really a philosphical question, 
    and I think it comes down to this:
    It’s a conflict of different worldviews. Yes, 
    perhaps everyone has the right to live as he wishes, but there is always a problem, 
    since people have different wishes, and these wishes clash with each other.
    As we agreed on before, there is no absolute right, so you can’t really say who is 
    right and who is wrong. In a sense, you can say it is wrong not to grant gay marriage,
    but that is from YOUR perspective. From the perspective of the Christian conservatists,
    they view gay as a sin, as a disease, and therefore, as faithful followers of God, 
    they feel they must purge this disease.
    Since you cannot say that they are really WRONG in their beliefs (because there is no 
    absolute right or wrong, is there?), you cannot say that their views are wrong.
    So dear, I think unless you can define one Absolute RIGHT, you cannot say who is right 
    and who is wrong. You can only have your own opinion.
    I find it really hard to think out this question of right and wrong clearly… 
    Any books you suggest me to read?